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| 07:57:07 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | good morning from Kevin Zhang @ Chicago ... |
| 07:57:54 | KOUAKOU Louis Simon | hi from Côte d'Ivoire |
| 07:58:07 | Gohar | hi from Kuwait |
| 07:58:19 | Gilbert Chow | Hi from Singapore |
| 07:58:45 | * Chaitanya Koratamaddi | Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening all! |
| 07:59:06 | Saeed | Hi from Iran |
| 07:59:17 | Joao | Hi from Brazil |
| 07:59:34 | Tim | Hi from China |
| 07:59:47 | jakob.m.christensen | Hi from Denmark :) |
| 07:59:51 | * Chaitanya Koratamaddi | All, This session will be recorded. So, please turn off your video. |
| 07:59:55 | Charles Cowan | good evening from South Africa |
| 08:00:07 | Bela Thinsz Stockholm | Hello from Sweden |
| 08:00:33 | Lee Burgess | Afternoon from Scotland |
| 08:00:34 | pavuluriv | David where are questions that were taken offline answered? |
| 08:01:20 | * David Peake | They are answered in AskTom |
| 08:01:29 | Bernhard FW (DE) | Hi from Lüneburg/Germany |
| 08:04:20 | Sandro Ferreira | Good morning from Sandro Ferreira.. based in Chicago and right now in Brazil |
| 08:04:21 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | I used application designer (APEX 18.2) on my iPad Pro few days again, it seems it is not that easy to easy ... particularly drag and drop and simulate right mouse click ... Can we improve this? |
| 08:05:18 | Alastair | Themes / templates are awesome, any plans to streamline, revamp or simplify how they are managed and maintained in furture? |
| 08:07:16 | * Doug Gault | @Kevin Z - You were trying to develop on your iPad? That's .... Optimistic. |
| 08:07:23 | Christian Rokitta | @Kevin Z: what is a touch gesture equivalent for right-click? |
| 08:09:19 | * Anthony Rayner | @Kevin Z If you are talking about in Page Designer, we have context menus that work based on the current selection, that allow all the functionality available via right click. |
| 08:09:31 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | @Christian R: that is the exactly my confusion. per google, I just need hold longer after I click something; however, that seems do nothing in APEX page designer .... |
| 08:10:44 | * Anthony Rayner | We will investigate if it makes sense for a tap and hold to do the same thing. I have made a note. |
| 08:10:50 | Christian Rokitta | Anyway, I do agree with Doug. You are very optimistic to be productive developing on an iPad. |
| 08:12:12 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | When will APEX supply SVG font? |
| 08:12:52 | * John Snyders | I have used page designer on an Andorid tablet with some success. I wouldn't use it for day to day work but many things work. In 18.1 there was a step back due to a touch bug but should be fixed in 18.2. |
| 08:13:48 | * Doug Gault | @Kevin - Do you mean an SVG Version of Font APEX? If so then look here. - https://github.com/oracle/font-apex |
| 08:14:42 | Scott Wesley | Did I hear Shakeeb say that applications still using jQuery Mobile / Theme 25 should still be fine on 18.x? |
| 08:14:44 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | excellent, I didn't realize now font APEX supplies SVG font ... cool! |
| 08:15:12 | * Doug Gault | Shakeeb may mention this but Font APEX is open source. |
| 08:15:49 | * David Peake | @Scott - Yes but developers should migrate Mobile UI to Universal Theme ASAP |
| 08:15:53 | HEIFI | Is there an stacking option for Font Apex planned? |
| 08:15:59 | Kyle Wilson | Hi guys, I want to subscribe to a region between pages; meaning that I can place/present the region wherever/however I want on the page in multiple pages. Aside from one-time copying or using the global page feature, is there any way to deep link to a report region? Version: 5.1.4 Environment: Oracle 12G |
| 08:16:50 | * David Peake | @HEIFI - What do you mean by stacking option? |
| 08:17:07 | HEIFI | Stacking different icons on top of each other |
| 08:17:18 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | Does Oracle provide a CDN for Font APEX? |
| 08:17:22 | HEIFI | https://fontawesome.com/how-to-use/on-the-web/styling/stacking-icons |
| 08:17:44 | HEIFI | Very nice feature for Font Awesome unfortunately not for Font Apex |
| 08:17:49 | * Doug Gault | @Kyle - If I understand your question, you want to define a region once and reference/use it on various other pages , but not necessarily always in the same place on a screen. Currently there is not inherent way to do this. The Global Page is currently the way we have to display a region on more than one pate. |
| 08:17:54 | * David Peake | @HEIFI - I will ask Shakeeb during the Q&A |
| 08:18:01 | HEIFI | Thanks! |
| 08:18:20 | HEIFI | Important: Icon modifiers are nice but limited |
| 08:18:51 | Juergen Schuster | @HEIFI As far as I know not yet only with the modifiers |
| 08:19:18 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | Can APEX provide a theme based on bootstrap? |
| 08:19:34 | Kyle Wilson | @Doug yes, that’s exactly what I want. Ok, thanks! |
| 08:20:00 | * David Peake | @Kevin - No we only plan to have a single theme = Universal Theme |
| 08:20:05 | * Doug Gault | @Kevin - You can build a theme based on Bootstrap if you build a theme from scratch. |
| 08:20:36 | * Doug Gault | Vincent From Insum did this http://vmorneau.me/introducing-apex-bootstrap-4-theme/ |
| 08:21:00 | Scott Wesley | Have the screen resolution classes I saw in a previous presentation been documented? |
| 08:21:05 | * David Peake | @Kevin - Custom Themes will continue to be supported but Oracle will only be supplying Universal Theme |
| 08:21:27 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | bootstrap is so popular, if Oracle APEX provides one extra theme based bootstrap, that will be super ... has few options are always good ... |
| 08:21:41 | * Anthony Rayner | @Kevin: We do now provide all the Oracle APEX Static resources via CDN, and part of those resources is the Font APEX library. So in theory yes, for example you could get the latest Font APEX version via this link (via the CDN): https://static.oracle.com/cdn/apex/18.2.0.00.12/libraries/font-apex/latest/ |
| 08:22:03 | * Anthony Rayner | @Kevin: Here’s the recent blog post where we announced the CDN: https://blogs.oracle.com/apex/announcing-oracle-apex-static-resources-on-oracle-content-delivery-network |
| 08:22:14 | * David Peake | @Scott - I will ask Shakeeb during Q&A |
| 08:24:31 | * Anthony Rayner | apex.oracle.com/ut |
| 08:25:24 | Juergen Schuster | @Scott: https://apex.oracle.com/pls/apex/f?p=42:300:::NO::: |
| 08:25:33 | Charles Cowan | is there any way to "shrink" these fields... there is a lot of real estate used (the label shrinks but the field is still double the height .... I have seen there are options for "default" or "Large" or "Extra large" |
| 08:25:56 | Charles Cowan | there is also a lot of space in-between these fields.. . it seems you cannot "stack them" |
| 08:28:13 | Scott Wesley | I'd like to see more SQL examples in /ut that we can use as template to generate content dynamically, like the one shown in Cards. Classic reports allow us to do more than just cards report template. |
| 08:29:09 | Scott Wesley | Radio groups as pill buttons are so underrated. |
| 08:29:18 | Christian Rokitta | @charles: If you don't like floating labels, you can use fields without labels and just use placeholders instead?! |
| 08:30:11 | Ross Henderson | Hi. In regards to custom themes/templates, will there be any improvements made to the maintenance and management of them? At the moment it's a little complicated and can very quickly get messy. |
| 08:31:22 | Scott Wesley | Hide when all rows displayed - I have a draft post on a workaround for this! |
| 08:31:50 | Charles Cowan | we really like the floating labels... just seems to be quite a lot of real estate... especially if you are using say a modal page on desktop and mobile... on mobile it's great but on desktop it's using a lot of space... If you consider that the height of the label shrinks when it repositions above the field then it doesnt make sense (to me) that the height for the label is the same as for the data |
| 08:32:06 | * Doug Gault | @Ross - We're always trying to improve usability across the board. What specifically are you talking about in terms of difficulties or things "getting messy". |
| 08:32:36 | Christian Rokitta | @ross: How are custom themes/templates more messy compared to standard themes/templates? |
| 08:32:40 | Pete K | you could also use the value placeholder attribute to work a little like a floating label, perhaps. |
| 08:32:55 | * Anthony Rayner | @Christian / Charles / Pete K: I would advise against using placeholder alone for labels, as this represents an accessibility issue (mainly around the fact you can no longer see the label when there is a value in the field) |
| 08:34:12 | * David Peake | @Charles - Are you asking for non-floating labels when run on desktop screens and floating on mobile screens? |
| 08:34:27 | Charles Cowan | since there is a LARGE and EXTRA LARGE option... Please can we get a SMALL option ;) |
| 08:34:45 | Charles Cowan | i was trying with floating on both desktop and mobile |
| 08:34:47 | Pete K | Indeed, hence 'perhaps' ;-) Accessibility is a big deal for us as a 'public service' provider. |
| 08:35:22 | * Anthony Rayner | :-) Let me know if you have any other feedback / questions about accessibility in APEX, at anthony.rayner@oracle.com. Be happy to help |
| 08:36:16 | Kyle Wilson | What resources would you guys recommend for advanced APEX customization (using your own CSS/JS/HTML, using webservices, etc)? I’m pretty new to APEX and love what I’m seeing in these demos |
| 08:37:14 | * Doug Gault | @Kevin - Do you know about http://apex.world ? It's a great resource. |
| 08:38:07 | * Doug Gault | Also - just go to apex.oracle.com - there is a lot there too. |
| 08:38:25 | Juergen Schuster | @Kyle: Try first to find out all possibilities in APEX itself then you will be busy for the next years. Check apex.oracle.com/ut the Sample Apps and Plug-ins. Then you know what’s out there and based on that you naturally learn how to enhance things |
| 08:39:29 | rohit.chaurasia | how did we got this sql quick hand. |
| 08:39:42 | Scott Wesley | "Quick SQL" |
| 08:40:01 | * David Peake | Go to SQL Workshop > SQL Scripts and click on Quick SQL |
| 08:40:01 | rohit.chaurasia | is it a new option in APEX 18.1? |
| 08:40:03 | Eric Olson | It's a packaged application in Apex. |
| 08:40:26 | * David Peake | Quick SQL as 1st introduced in APEX 5.1 |
| 08:40:39 | * David Peake | It is a built-in feature not a packaged app |
| 08:40:43 | Juergen Schuster | @rohit: and it is available on livesql.oralce.com |
| 08:41:16 | rohit.chaurasia | oh thanks. i am currently working in apex 4.2 |
| 08:41:19 | * David Peake | To use standalone (outside of APEX) go to https://quicksql.oracle.com |
| 08:41:26 | rohit.chaurasia | so was not aware of it. |
| 08:41:40 | Eric Olson | It's built in as of 18, I think. PA in 5. |
| 08:42:28 | * David Peake | @Rohit - Sign up on apex.oracle.com and play with it there is best way to learn |
| 08:43:55 | Elizabeth | Is that a browser plugin that runs the apex app in both desktop and mobile? |
| 08:44:14 | Lee Burgess | I'm a very new APEX developer, I was wondering how easy it would be to convert a fully fledged web app into a mobile app? (or if it is possible at all??) |
| 08:44:20 | rohit.chaurasia | thanks david. |
| 08:44:39 | * David Peake | You should look to upgrade as APEX 4.2 no longer supported |
| 08:45:02 | Juergen Schuster | @Lee: This is what Shakeeb is showing right now? Other than that start with "Mobile First" |
| 08:45:04 | * Anthony Rayner | @Elizabeth: It’s just standard web browser behaviour, no need for any plugins. |
| 08:45:35 | Elizabeth | thank you @Anthony |
| 08:45:46 | * Anthony Rayner | No probs! |
| 08:46:19 | Allan Sitterson | Remove comma after attribute 4 |
| 08:46:45 | Paul | Sorry I looked away for a second, where did the sample code come from for the report being built at the moment? |
| 08:47:19 | rohit.chaurasia | thanks david. will do it. do we have any official link which i can show to my client and convince him that apex 4.2 is no longer supported and we should upgrade to 5. |
| 08:47:21 | * Anthony Rayner | apex.oracle.com/ut, then select ‘Components’, then ‘Comments’ then scroll down |
| 08:47:26 | * David Peake | @Pauk - from apex.oracle.com/ut > Components then select Comments and look at the Sample Code |
| 08:47:28 | Ross Henderson | @Doug @Christian To try and explain a bit more: 1. Why are the template definitions split out? It can be very difficult to visualise the changes you're making or if you're changing the right thing. 2. Do you have any docs about the overall architecture of the themes and templates and how they work together? Basically, it's hard to understand what to change past using the Theme roller and nothing more. Also, is there any way you could create a way to have a preview of changes made to a template/theme before saving and launching? Kind of like a live preview. |
| 08:48:19 | Paul | @David, thanks! |
| 08:49:20 | * David Peake | @Rohit - To see supported versions of APEX go here https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/developer-tools/apex/learnmore/apex-support-1866620.html |
| 08:50:07 | * Doug Gault | @Ross... We'll feed this back to Shakeeb and team. |
| 08:50:34 | rohit.chaurasia | thanks again david. this will be really helpful. |
| 08:52:58 | Ross Henderson | @Doug Thanks! |
| 08:53:00 | * Doug Gault | Is that what you were looking for @Scott |
| 08:53:09 | Scott Wesley | David, I think I see what I see what I was asking about - I've been using the 5.x /ut app as a reference too often. |
| 08:53:09 | Christian Rokitta | @Ross: documentation is sparse |
| 08:54:03 | Christian Rokitta | @shakeeb: will there be server-side conditions to distinguish between desktop and mobile? |
| 08:54:04 | Olivia Ding | so cool of this part |
| 08:54:06 | Eric Olson | This hidden-ss-up stuff, still renders both reports on both screens, right? It's all rendered, just not displayed? |
| 08:54:20 | Theresa Galvez | Christina...I agree! documentation is very limited |
| 08:54:28 | Juergen Schuster | @Eric: Yes |
| 08:55:09 | Vito Campanelli | Is there a way to show hamburger menu for XS and above but have top menus for XS and below? |
| 08:55:21 | Theresa Galvez | I 2nd Paul's question/suggestion: Basically, it's hard to understand what to change past using the Theme roller and nothing more. Also, is there any way you could create a way to have a preview of changes made to a template/theme before saving and launching? Kind of like a live preview. |
| 08:56:13 | * David Peake | @Vitto - Will ask Shakeeb during Q&A |
| 08:56:38 | * David Peake | @ Paul / Theresa - We will look into this in a future release |
| 08:57:10 | Scott Wesley | I guess we can define server side conditions now, but only based on the size of the window in the previous page. It would be nice to see declarative options in this regard in future versions, as a replacement to user interfaces. |
| 08:58:23 | Christian Rokitta | @scott: UT is adding classes to the HTML/doc body. I guess APEX is using some kind of server-side evaluation for this |
| 08:58:32 | Steffen Clauß | Great demo Shakeeb - thanks :-) |
| 08:58:54 | dafei wang | Many thanks |
| 08:59:00 | Alastair | I agree with @Ross |
| 08:59:02 | Scott Wesley | no, I think it's all css media query based, but it could be leveraged to set items on login/page load, for the next page. |
| 08:59:35 | * Chaitanya Koratamaddi | here’s the twitter app export https://www.dropbox.com/s/m3b9au0h014v8kw/apex-twitter-app-demo.sql.zip?dl=0 |
| 09:00:52 | Alastair | I also agree with @Paul |
| 09:01:00 | Bela Thinsz Stockholm | How to implement Floating labels in older applications, in a easy way |
| 09:01:14 | Frederic | Great demo, with APEX the futur look brillant, Is there a demo application availiable? |
| 09:01:29 | Kyle Hu | @Bela you have to upgrade to the latest Universal Theme. |
| 09:01:34 | * Chaitanya Koratamaddi | @Frederic https://www.dropbox.com/s/m3b9au0h014v8kw/apex-twitter-app-demo.sql.zip?dl=0 |
| 09:01:46 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | Will future APEX stop support low/old Oracle DB, for example DBMS 10g/11g? |
| 09:02:59 | Ross Henderson | Does APEX have any plans to drop support for IE11 at any point? (please...) |
| 09:03:08 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | Similar question: will future APEX stop support old browser: for example IE11 ... |
| 09:03:11 | Charles Cowan | the label is small but it's space is big :) |
| 09:04:10 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | both Ross and I asked the same question, can you answer: Does APEX have any plans to drop support for IE11 at any point? (please...) |
| 09:04:37 | Alastair | Ignore @Ross, I need IE11 support for now |
| 09:04:56 | Paul | @David, could you ask if any plans for those screen size css classes to be server side conditions? |
| 09:05:09 | * Anthony Rayner | Oracle 18 requires Oracle DB 11.2 already, so is not supported on DB 10 |
| 09:05:18 | Juergen Schuster | The APEX Apps working on IE11 the AppBuilder haven’t tried :-) |
| 09:05:31 | Olivia Ding | do you have a blog, Shakeeb? |
| 09:05:37 | Charles Cowan | thank you |
| 09:05:37 | Ross Henderson | Cheers guys |
| 09:05:42 | Kevin Z.(Chicago) | excellent session!!! Thank you!!! |
| 09:05:44 | Alastair | Thanks everyone |
| 09:05:51 | Alastair | Really appricaite these updates |
| 09:05:52 | jzalazar | Thanks Shakeeb & David!! |
| 09:05:52 | * Anthony Rayner | Thanks for attending! |
| 09:05:53 | KOUAKOU Louis Simon | thk for all |
| 09:05:55 | charles | Excellent! |
| 09:05:56 | Juan Wall | thanks! |
| 09:05:59 | Prashanth Raju | @Shakeeb, Thank You for one more interesting session. Its awesome!! |
| 09:06:01 | hvarman | Thanks everyone..great presentation! |
| 09:06:03 | jakob.m.christensen | Thanks |